I mostly enjoyed your debate with Joey, and I would like to respond to the apparent question. "Does God exist"?

In all attempts to prove that the unseen exists we must first use the proper methods. Unseen radio waves can not be proven with something other than that which will respond to radio waves, such as an antenna or in the case of micro waves say a damp cloth. In an attempt to prove that air exists I wold not use something that does not respond to air. So it is also true that to prove the existence of God you must use something that responds to God.

We must now ask the unavoidable question ... "What is God and how do we detect God?". The only source I have to go by is the Bible. The Bible says that no man has ever seen the face of God, so this rules out anything to do with our eyes. If God can't be seen then I will rule out touching God with say a hand. What is left is taste, hearing and smell. We have evidence in the Bible that many have heard God, all those that left Egypt and wandered in the desert did hear God speak with Moses (Exodus 19.9). Unless God is willing to speak to you or me in this way I will rule out hearing. Again turning to the Bible there is evidence that w can taste God, "Your words were found and I ate them ..." (Jeremiah 15.16), but my guess is that when you have read the word yo did not taste God so we will rule taste out also. Finally we come to smell, as I don't have any memory of smelling God in the Bible, smell is out.

How about the disciplines of logic, physics or even philosophy. Let's start with philosophy, as a mental exercise of discussion mostly focused on the asking of questions ... I don't believe that it has ever proven anything either way, and it is full of paradox (Zeno and motion) and speculation (if a tree falls and no one is there, does it make a sound). Well for me philosophy is out. Logic is wonderful if you know how to use it and where to apply it, but let's face the facts, in the hands of someone skilled in logical reasoning and proof, 1 can be show to equal 2 and other such nonsensical things. Physics has not focused on proving such things as the existence of though or emotion, let alone spirit or God. So I would say these are not able to prove or disprove the existence of God.

It looks like there is no physical way to detect God. So let us turn to the Bible again. What is said about God? The best reference I can find is John 4.24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truthfulness", it looks like spirit is a key in contacting (detecting) God. 1 Thessalonians 5.23 "And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and my your spirit and soul and body be preserved ...". This verse clearly names three parts of man. The body is the skin, muscle and organs, with the blood and the bone. The soul is often confused with spirit and spirit with soul. The Greek word used is psuche (I'm sorry if the spelling is wrong), which is the root of the word psyche and hence psychology, or the mind, emotion and will. So what is spirit? The Greek word is Zoe and is a life related to the breath or breathing of God. This Zoe is translated spirit, and according to the Bible is the deepest part of our being, and is the part we must use to contact God.

How do we get our spirit to contact God who is Spirit? The Bible tells us our spirit is the means to contact God, therefore in order for the Bible to be complete it must tell us how to get our spirit involved in contacting God. 1 Corinthians 12.3 says "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking in the Spirit of God says, Jesus is accursed; and no one can say, Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit.".

Now with the above information we can formulate an experiment ... take a moment to do the following:

Go to a quiet place where you can be alone. Read the following words aloud.

I have a human spirit.
I exercise my spirit now to contact God who is Spirit.
I declare openly that Jesus is Lord.
I do not believe God exists. So I ask now if you do exist God, show me.
I open myself to you, I ask that you open me even more.
Believing comes from hearing, grant me ears to hear what the Spirit says.
Become for me my faith to believe in the Lord Jesus as the son of the living God.
Give me a word to hear, through someone or something, that I might believe you are real.

Now give yourself some time before you decide that there was no response, remain open for say a day or two. Either you will have proof that for you God exists or does not exist. And it will only have cost you a small portion of your time.

Douglas J Mathis
Sr. Application Systems Analyst
Shands Hospital @ UF